ANSWERS: 8
  • How else will it be run properly? Would you rather have Satan running your country? And your supposed made up Quote is a lie. If you're going to quote Jesus at lease look it up and do it right, citing book and verse and an actual quote, maybe? Jesus never said those words in the KJV of The Bible I assure you!
    • Butterflies67
      John 17 v 14 Jesus said in prayer to his father, "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." NWT 4 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. KJV. I think you need to check your bible as you can see the KJV does say that Jesus' followers were no part of the world.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Butterflies, good comment. I usually study with the Jehovah's Witness, even though there are certain subjects I don't agree with them like Jesus is God and The Trinity. Besides that, keep spreading the Good News on Answerbag so people can start reading the Bible for a change.
    • Linda Joy
      Your quote is incorrect. Jesus does not say "HIS followers..." why would he? And there is no mention of politics that is your assumption that politics is of the world. And even though we are not of this world we do have to live in it and do our best to make it better. However in America we have done a better job at separating church from state. And thank you for providing a proper quote in your comment but its still wrong in the question.
    • Linda Joy
      Jesus hasn't returned yet to establish HIS government on the earth. Would you suggest we live in anarchy till then with no law at all? That's not the counsel HE gave Moses. He instructed Moses to set up judges to judge trespasses and keep the peace. So you're wrong. Not only was Moses a Christian, he was a prophet! And Moses wasn't the only prophet who was a judge. Maybe if you and Jenny would "start reading the Bible for a change", you'd understand what it actually says and stop judging other Christians for what you WRONGFULLY ASSUME they are doing wrong.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, not one verse did you provide, other than give your opinion. Quote: "And there is no mention of politics that is your assumption that politics is of the world." Sure there is. The Gospel of Luke tells us that Caesar Augustus was the head politician of Rome who ordered a census taken of the entire Roman world for tax collections. Nothing in the teachings of Jesus gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement. Instead, He rebuked the Pharisees by stating Politics and Religion DON'T MIX by rendering to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. (Matthew 22:21)
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "Not only was Moses a Christian," LOL, Butterflies, there you have it.
    • Linda Joy
      Christ was the lord of the old testament. The teachings of Christianity were established by God before the world was created. I was referring to her quote when I said it said nothing about politics. Not the entire Bible. Politics are heavily discussed in The Bible as well as other scripture. Christ Himself was passed between jurisdictions before his crucifixion. Its always been about Christ. Alpha and Omega. The jews were taught about Christ and his coming through rituals and emblems. Everything they did pointed to His coming. Oh well, I guess we see things differently here. And I can agree to disagree because I have additional scriptures regarding Moses, though the KJV account is the same in Ex 18 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/ex/18?lang=eng ***** And thank you for encouraging me to read it again. It was not commanded of God. It was suggested by Jethro, but obviously approved by God.
    • Linda Joy
      Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's was a command to pay your taxes and obey the law. This is my opinion. But the example also showed how if you obey the law of the land as well as the law of God Then God will provide a way for it to be done. Which also reinforces the law of the tithe.
    • Linda Joy
      Your quote is not KJV ***13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, since Butterflies is not replying back, I will take her place until she or any other Jehovah's Witness finds the time to go over your comments. Claiming the teachings of Christianity were created by God, then you are implying Jesus is God. That's another argument you have to discuss with them. In biblical terms, the teachings of Christianity to be precisely were created by Jesus Himself. John 8:31 "So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples,"
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "Politics are heavily discussed in The Bible as well as other scripture." But you have no evidence to support your claims with scriptures. You will not find one passage in the New Testament were Christians should be involved in politics. It is the contrary in Jesus' teachings to avoid the Gospel from being polluted with politics. We are not to conform to the pattern of the world and only approve what is God's. Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Quote: "Christ Himself was passed between jurisdictions before his crucifixion." Passing through jurisdictions for condemnation and being involved in politics are 2 different agendas.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "To your Exodus 18 link, those are your views by the BOM. People who only accept The Holy Bible will not agree Moses was a Christian. Moses lived in 1592 BCE. The timeline is way off track from Jesus' ministry. Quote: "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's was a command to pay your taxes and obey the law." I'm not saying we are supposed to disobey the law, but it is not illegal in America to stay away from politics Period
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, once again, obeying the earthly laws is one thing, being a politician is another. Whichever side of the coin you are looking at, both sides of the coin cannot be one. Neither can you mix Religion with Politics as EVERYBODY knows they DON'T go together. As for the difference in the KJV and NWT the Jehovah's Witness use, Christians are in the world, but they are not from the world to make Godly decisions. Colossians 3:23 "Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,"
    • Linda Joy
      I see Jenny wants to argue. I don't. The scripture this person quoted John 17 was unrecognizable to me because of the way it has been perverted! I have already posted the accurate KJV scripture. Butterflies has equated 'of the world' with politics. I disagree. But using her premise verse 18 says "As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world." So using her premise Jesus sent us into politics ..."that they also might be sanctified through the truth." I don't care if you disagree that all truth comes from God and that everything God taught Adam and Eve in the garden and after was Christianity. I never claimed that was scripture. But God has always testified of Christ and Christ has always testified of God! Maybe another day I'll read what Jenny posted. But I do want to make it clear Jesus and God are NOT the same person. This very prayer makes it glaringly obvious they are not the same person.
    • Linda Joy
      Note to Jenny - from what I happened to glance from your rants - The old testament is included in The Bible and Christianity has been taught long before Christ came to earth. And when I quote scripture you will know it. And when I don't, don't act like I did.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, arguing? Actually you turned this subject into a discussion by implying Christians should be involved in politics. Your claims are not accurate for the fact that Jesus wasn't a politician. Your only claims are that Moses was a Christian when the timeline differs from Jesus' ministry, along with twisted interpretations of using Scripture. Quote: "The scripture this person quoted John 17 was unrecognizable to me because of the way it has been perverted!" It is not perverted to know how Christians are sanctified in God's Word and not in politics. John 17:17 "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth." Once again, you are rebuked, since sanctification does not come from politics.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: " But I do want to make it clear Jesus and God are NOT the same person." That's funny because the Mormons I have talked to claim Jesus is the Creator. The subject of discussing Jesus is God does not concern me in this subject. You said God is the founder of Christianity. Your remarks are inaccurate, knowing Jesus is the founder of Christianity by the very word Christ. Quote: "The old testament is included in The Bible and Christianity has been taught" Yeah, and we must read the Bible in context. Not because the Old Testament is part of the Bible does not mean we are under the Mosaic law. *A big Facepalm*
    • Linda Joy
      God spoke it, Jesus executed it. Just like the CO and XO of a ship. But I doubt they ever said God and Jesus are the same person. But please do tell me what Mormons believe because you must know better than me because you know everything right? If you want to know what Mormons believe you can go to lds.org, or mormon.org. easy enough to remember, right? I think your brain has been damaged by too many facepalms!
    • Linda Joy
      Saying the OT was part of The Bible was in response to you asking me where in the NT was government mentioned when I said it was mentioned a lot on THE BIBLE. I'm tired of you and your tired arguments. I don't care what you believe or what you THINK Mormons believe or the semantics of when the term Christian was coined. God is the same always He wouldn't SWITCH RELIGIONS halfway through The Bible! That's idiotic! The same thing has been taught from the beginning.
    • Linda Joy
      The example of Moses was just one example, and if you're half as smart as you think you are you know were probably a dozen other examples of the government being mentioned in scripture is located. This argument is not worth my time. It is not educating anyone or endearing them to The Scriptures. You are an evil woman who just wants to argue and try to prove you know more than everyone else. Evidently you haven't yet learned that contention is the tool of Satan and so are you!
    • Linda Joy
      Besides the fact I can answer this question any way I see fit. You can argue all day you're not going to change my opinion and you know it.
    • Linda Joy
      Do you really think Jesus waned us to live in anarchy until His return?
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "God spoke it, Jesus executed it. Just like the CO and XO of a ship. But I doubt they ever said God and Jesus are the same person." To stay relevant, it's not for me to argue if Jesus is God on this subject. I'm just letting you know how it's funny that you as a supposedly Mormon denies Jesus is God, while Mormonism teaches Jesus is God. In Moses 2:1, Elder Maxwell testifies that Christ is the creator and savior of the world. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/2.1?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2013/10/the-divine-mission-of-jesus-christ-creator?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-creator?lang=eng
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, by Mormon beliefs, I don't see what you're trying to pull here. Either you deny Jesus is God to avoid a discussion with the Jehovah's Witness or perhaps you are a newcomer to Mormonism. Quote: "Saying the OT was part of The Bible was in response to you asking me where in the NT was government mentioned" I don't deny the Old Testament being a part of the Bible. In fact, there were government laws by the Mosaic law, but none that applied to Christians. Further evidence: Galatians 3:23-25 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Context, context, context is what I tell everyone who thinks they know the Bible.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "You are an evil woman who just wants to argue and try to prove you know more than everyone else." My reasoning speaks for itself. Since your remarks do not hold water, it's not my fault you feel harassed. Other AB'ers comment on my answers and I don't complain about it.
  • i dont see anything wrong with it
  • Yes, it is OK for Christians to be in politics. What often happens is they start compromising things with their beliefs and are no better than those whom do not believe.
    • Butterflies67
      True Christians look to God's Kingdom (or government) to rule over the earth. No government of man has been able to solve the problems whether it be war, crime, sickness, poverty,famine. So religious leaders should be focusing on Gods Kingdom rather than getting involved in man's futile governments.
    • Linda Joy
      That's not going to happen until the second coming. Should we let infrastructure rot and criminals run wild until then? How stupid is that? True Christians should be feeding the hungry housing the homeless, protecting widows and orphans so the government doesn't have to do it for them!! What is your church doing for 'the least of these' our brethren? What are you, personally doing as a Christian to help them? And Christians shouldn't be sitting in judgement of one another either!
  • No, Jesus wasn't a politician. The primary goal of the Church is not to become a political movement, but a spiritual influence. Romans 12:2 "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
  • Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      What a way of tap dancing to avoid a discussion. I may suggest you let the questioner know if it's a Yes or a No.
    • Days of Solitude
      You answer the way you want to, let others do the same.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      How sensitive. The Bible encourages Christians to respond with Yay or Nay. Having the gift of God to SPEAK is important. 1 Peter 4:11 "Do you have the gift of speaking? Then speak as though God Himself were speaking through you. Do you have the gift of helping others? Do it with all the strength and energy that God supplies. Then everything you do will bring glory to God through Jesus Christ. All glory and power to Him forever and ever! Amen."
    • Linda Joy
      Her answer was just fine. And she's right she can answer whatever way she wants and you have no right to harass her just because you don't like the way she answered. No one asked you to jump in on everyone's answer and assess it! You're not the fount from which all wisdom flows you self righteous piece of commentary! I haven't exactly seen you following your own advice. You ran on at the mouth on my answer too without invitation and only to stir up contention you weren't trying to help anyone! I know for sure God doesn't speak through your mouth of contention! You're supposed to lift others up not put them down. Everyone doesn't have to agree with you and you don't know as much as you THINK you do!
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "Her answer was just fine. And she's right she can answer whatever way she wants" With no doubt, her answer is fine since it is for the sake of answering, but to speak of harassment, not quite. If you want to consider it harassment to leave people comments you disagree with, then she harassed me, only to get reprimanded: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/3515117#a8840672
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, discussions on AB are for educational purposes. According to biblical standards, her answer is not precise. Yay or Nay, along with Godly inspired interpretations is the way to have a true understanding. Quote: "Everyone doesn't have to agree with you and you don't know as much as you THINK you do!" For your information, I am a female Pastor who graduated from college in philosophy and theology. I am not putting anyone down. On the contrary, if I didn't care about Violet's answer, I would not be leaving her comments to set things straight. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, believers are instructed to teach and correct others.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, if you feel harassed because of my comments, at least have the "courage" to let me know to stay away from your answers and I will do so. This is what separates my qualities from yours, knowing I am not afraid to speak my mind when I see an answer I don't agree with.
    • Linda Joy
      You're a liar. I'm not afraid to speak my mind and you know it! And that education wasn't worth a penny if they didn't teach you not to be contentious. Actually I'm shocked that you went through all that education and still don't know the very basics that Jesus and God created this world together from the beginning. And the whole lesson of taming the tongue has escaped you as well. And who are you to say that discussions are for educational purposes. Not all of them are. There is a whole category labeled jokes. And some of us are making friends and maintaining friendships here. And I suppose 1 Timothy 2:12 doesn't apply to you!
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Linda Joy, quote: "You're a liar. I'm not afraid to speak my mind and you know it!" Not exactly, people who are not afraid to speak their minds do not WHINE when an argument does not go their way. Not only that, liars are KNOWN when they run into a verbal hiccup. You claim Jesus isn't God - Mormons disagree with your claims by the links I added on the other thread. Also, the Answerbag user by the name of Violet professes to be a Christian and has cussed me out various times: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/3514656 So don't hate, cause my level of education enables me to be too adroit at it.
  • The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England. Be it the Queen is also a Knight of Malta who were an ancient Catholic order. Also, the Holy See has a full legal personality in International law. Also, the Pope is a King, so he crosses the secular role. The House of Lords is made up of priests archbishops and Barons. So whether a Christian decides to involve themselves in politics or not, the religion and secular are clearly entwined. Whether it is a Christian religion is questionable, America is loaded with Roman gods, as is the UK, you have Minerva/Athena on the parliament building, and the founders such as Washington believed in apotheosis. The statue of liberty was originally meant for Egypt and is more than likely the goddess Isis, 33rd degree mason Albert Pike referred to her in his writings. The Washington monument is an obelisk standing inside a vesica pisces, and in the waters is reflected As Above So Below. However the bible states "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." The bible calls us ambassadors for Christ, speaking boldly. Devote ourselves to ministry and to prayer.
  • Why should someone that believes in God be discriminated against? They could still do a political job and believe in God at the same time.
  • YES a Christian should be involved in politics we do want His words to be in our government after all this country is built on the faith of Christianity. If God is not in it, it will ultimately fail.

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